we are joined by delegate pat mcdonough and delegate sandy rosenberg. before we went to break we were talking about how this issue in main really comes into play in the larger context of immigration policy in this country. and what happens in washington, what happens in the presidential election and what happens with congress. so delegate mcdonough what if the policy in washington changes so that these people are employable once they eve a college degree. >> i don't know if the average voter should go out and vote on "what if", you know. we're not a prophet, we don't have crystal balls, we don't know what the future holds. we have to vote on the current law. we don't base this on the rule of law as what might happen. the law exists today. i can tell you that it's being challenged in court already, this deferment you are talking about by chris kovac who if mr. romney wins will probably be the next secretary of homeland security which i think is interesting. but i want to make one point that sandy brought up there are about 75,000 people who fall into thi